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I truly believe, that SOE did not plan to make this SWG a PvP game, that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep. The game's mechanics were too buggy to support it, the problems we saw from launch are evidence of it.

But we surprised them, we formed groups and dropped bases, we assembled huge raiding parties, and defenders fought heroically, the penalties merely introduced an intensity in SWG PvP that could not be found anywhere else. We bonded, we experienced both honor and betrayal, and discovered things about ourselves that rarely come to the surface IRL.
You who were a part of it, felt your heart skip a beat as you read this.

SOE missed the boat, they read the boards, saw the flames, the marketers kept playing this game as an easy to play game, had they come forward and presented it as the challenge that it is, Pre-CU would have worked. But there were no SWG devs in the front lines of those epic battles, except to manage the /reports that came in or to manage "another bug" with the bases.

In round two ...

Bases returning ... PvP bases, not the combatant bases of the past.

New and Improved GCW Bases
  • All new player-placed PvP Galactic Civil War bases
  • Brand new heavy weapon emplacements that all players can use to defend the bases
  • E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster
  • Mortar Emplacements
  • Various manned turrets
  • And more!
  • Exciting new interior puzzles and obstacles to overcome
  • All new base destruction dynamic with Officer-specific activity sets



They now know. And this time, it's all they have left for endgame content. We thought it could never happen again. SOE may just be about to prove us wrong.
/rebelyell

Gen. Haleigh Comette <ZERG>
Kiss My Buns
~ It's only a game ... until you lose ~
... Has mastered the Man-Eating Profession
Officers do it ...standing up!
/rebelyell
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GoldSquadGirl wrote:

I truly believe, that SOE did not plan to make this SWG a PvP game, that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep. The game's mechanics were too buggy to support it, the problems we saw from launch are evidence of it.

But we surprised them, we formed groups and dropped bases, we assembled huge raiding parties, and defenders fought heroically, the penalties merely introduced an intensity in SWG PvP that could not be found anywhere else. We bonded, we experienced both honor and betrayal, and discovered things about ourselves that rarely come to the surface IRL.
You who were a part of it, felt your heart skip a beat as you read this.

SOE missed the boat, they read the boards, saw the flames, the marketers kept playing this game as an easy to play game, had they come forward and presented it as the challenge that it is, Pre-CU would have worked. But there were no SWG devs in the front lines of those epic battles, except to manage the /reports that came in or to manage "another bug" with the bases.

In round two ...

Bases returning ... PvP bases, not the combatant bases of the past.

New and Improved GCW Bases
  • All new player-placed PvP Galactic Civil War bases
  • Brand new heavy weapon emplacements that all players can use to defend the bases
  • E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster
  • Mortar Emplacements
  • Various manned turrets
  • And more!
  • Exciting new interior puzzles and obstacles to overcome
  • All new base destruction dynamic with Officer-specific activity sets



They now know. And this time, it's all they have left for endgame content. We thought it could never happen again. SOE may just be about to prove us wrong.
/rebelyell



You dont happen to be excited because Officer will be one of the focal points do you?

Ayli: - Elder SL/Elder Pistoleer/Elder Doctor/SS Ace Pilot

Now an Officer in the Imperial Army
03-01-2006 04:00 PM  

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joxer31 wrote:


GoldSquadGirl wrote:

I truly believe, that SOE did not plan to make this SWG a PvP game, that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep. The game's mechanics were too buggy to support it, the problems we saw from launch are evidence of it.

But we surprised them, we formed groups and dropped bases, we assembled huge raiding parties, and defenders fought heroically, the penalties merely introduced an intensity in SWG PvP that could not be found anywhere else. We bonded, we experienced both honor and betrayal, and discovered things about ourselves that rarely come to the surface IRL.
You who were a part of it, felt your heart skip a beat as you read this.

SOE missed the boat, they read the boards, saw the flames, the marketers kept playing this game as an easy to play game, had they come forward and presented it as the challenge that it is, Pre-CU would have worked. But there were no SWG devs in the front lines of those epic battles, except to manage the /reports that came in or to manage "another bug" with the bases.

In round two ...

Bases returning ... PvP bases, not the combatant bases of the past.

New and Improved GCW Bases
  • All new player-placed PvP Galactic Civil War bases
  • Brand new heavy weapon emplacements that all players can use to defend the bases
  • E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster
  • Mortar Emplacements
  • Various manned turrets
  • And more!
  • Exciting new interior puzzles and obstacles to overcome
  • All new base destruction dynamic with Officer-specific activity sets



They now know. And this time, it's all they have left for endgame content. We thought it could never happen again. SOE may just be about to prove us wrong.
/rebelyell



You dont happen to be excited because Officer will be one of the focal points do you?


Merely the icing on the cake ...

One of the officers in our sacred forum said that when he read the publish 30 notes, he peed himself. That wasn't exactly my reaction, but I definitely needed a cold shower afterwards

Gen. Haleigh Comette <ZERG>
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... Has mastered the Man-Eating Profession
Officers do it ...standing up!
/rebelyell
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I half agree. Yes, SWG has an immensely strong PvP base, and less on the PvE, but we need a balance. i love doing FUN quests that require TEAMWORK and overcomming obstacles and traps. SWG has none of this, but D&D will and GW has a little bit. it gives an extraordinary sense of a team and such, and is very fun. Yes, however, I do agree with your point. SWG never realized this was meant to be a light jedi v dark jedi and reb v imp player game.
 


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GoldSquadGirl wrote:

joxer31 wrote:


GoldSquadGirl wrote:

I truly believe, that SOE did not plan to make this SWG a PvP game, that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep. The game's mechanics were too buggy to support it, the problems we saw from launch are evidence of it.

But we surprised them, we formed groups and dropped bases, we assembled huge raiding parties, and defenders fought heroically, the penalties merely introduced an intensity in SWG PvP that could not be found anywhere else. We bonded, we experienced both honor and betrayal, and discovered things about ourselves that rarely come to the surface IRL.
You who were a part of it, felt your heart skip a beat as you read this.

SOE missed the boat, they read the boards, saw the flames, the marketers kept playing this game as an easy to play game, had they come forward and presented it as the challenge that it is, Pre-CU would have worked. But there were no SWG devs in the front lines of those epic battles, except to manage the /reports that came in or to manage "another bug" with the bases.

In round two ...

Bases returning ... PvP bases, not the combatant bases of the past.

New and Improved GCW Bases
  • All new player-placed PvP Galactic Civil War bases
  • Brand new heavy weapon emplacements that all players can use to defend the bases
  • E-Web Heavy Repeating Blaster
  • Mortar Emplacements
  • Various manned turrets
  • And more!
  • Exciting new interior puzzles and obstacles to overcome
  • All new base destruction dynamic with Officer-specific activity sets



They now know. And this time, it's all they have left for endgame content. We thought it could never happen again. SOE may just be about to prove us wrong.
/rebelyell



You dont happen to be excited because Officer will be one of the focal points do you?


Merely the icing on the cake ...

One of the officers in our sacred forum said that when he read the publish 30 notes, he peed himself. That wasn't exactly my reaction, but I definitely needed a cold shower afterwards



And with the ability to change status w/o recruiter, the battles will definately become fierce and last a long time. Just glad I dont have to face you across the lines. I would pee myself.

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AtariusL wrote:
I half agree. Yes, SWG has an immensely strong PvP base, and less on the PvE, but we need a balance. i love doing FUN quests that require TEAMWORK and overcomming obstacles and traps. SWG has none of this, but D&D will and GW has a little bit. it gives an extraordinary sense of a team and such, and is very fun. Yes, however, I do agree with your point. SWG never realized this was meant to be a light jedi v dark jedi and reb v imp player game.




Aturi, by time you arrived in our universe, Player bases were:
  • Easily obtainable
    Though inflation in the game made millions of credits very commonplace, the price of faction never went up. Smuggler faction was capped once, the caps were later removed. Also, the amount of faction needed to purchase a base was greatly reduced, if you were on a planet controlled by your faction (and there was always one), you could get them for under 20k.
    Originally, it cost 60k faction for a Detachment HQ, only a Colonel was able to hold that much faction.
    And just to reach Colonel, it required a 60k faction grind, all the while attackable by other players, and certain species had even more obstacles, on the imperial side.

  • Attackable by PvE players
    The "combatant base", and the addition of ranged cybernetic arms with RoTW, one could actually dismantle a base without even drawing aggro. Players would drop bases and watch them be destroyed, without so much as the opportunity to defend them. On my server, most Base busters would raid bases Special Forces out of pure nostalgia.

And as I write this today, they are gone.

It isn't your fault, and it isn't fair to you.
We who participated in the great conflicts, the dramatic and valorous battles over bases in 2004, we failed the newer players, who would never have the chance to be a part of PvP so soul-gripping.

We went to the forums and flamed each other, we reported others for exploiting constantly, we complained about unfairness, we whined, we had tantrums. That is the nature of being involved in a truly intense conflict.

SOE was not there, they did not see us experience the powerful bond that seals friendships, fighting together to preserve what we had built together, they never saw true valor on display, all they heard was the excessive whining and flaming, the complaining and reporting about exploits and bugs.

I know all too well these players who failed you, I am one.

I can only say that as SOE listened to our whining, and slowly rendered the base wars insignificant, culminating in disabling them, we all realized just what we had lost, and later what we had cost the future players of SWG.

There are many game vets who no longer play, whose names are forever carved in legend, who want the epic base wars of the past to stay in the past, so that their own legacies can never be surpassed by the newer players who they see as undeserving. On the other hand, I see in talented newer players like you Aturi, who want so badly to fight for something worthwhile, and cannot find it now, a potential for real leadership, to achieve something greater than a list of people you have dueled and beaten, or a pile of badges. I have read your posts, and many of your ideas are in search of real challenge, not just individually, but with your chosen friends, and even your entire faction.

And at long last, with their backs in a corner, I believe that this time SOE understands what they must do, to bring back the GCW.

Publish 30. The best yet to come.
/rebelyell

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Officers do it ...standing up!
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I agree with you 100%.

As an ex-GCW Correspondent, and a long time GCW fanboi, I loved the base wars of the old days.  I got so involved, it almost cost me my fiance.  Atarius is talking about a challenge...

I remember gathering together with 90 some odd rebels, to try and take any 1 of 4 hot imperial HQ's, from a defending force of around 150 Imperials.  Housewalls with itty bitty alleys in them surrounding the bases, with a cloner 200m away.  Notorious CMs on both sides digging out their nastiest poisons.

The slideshow that commenced once the action began.

"I'm killing him!" /flip

"Take that! /flip

"I'm ... dead?  W T F?!?!  I was just at full health! lol /flip

and so on..

There has never been a more exciting time in all my years of electronic gaming (we're talking since Pong here) and nothing since has come close.  I know a lot of WoW die hards who still feel the same way.

If they get the GCW right this time... have some foresight into possible ways to abuse the systems they come up with, I predict a massive return of players, as well as a genrous influx of new players once the word hits the street.

E-Web blasters?  How long have we asked for those? 

Publish 30 is going to blow the people who play this game away.

Oh, and I hear your Rebel yell, and silence it with the Imperial Boot Stomp.

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Auraboron wrote:

I agree with you 100%.

As an ex-GCW Correspondent, and a long time GCW fanboi, I loved the base wars of the old days.  I got so involved, it almost cost me my fiance.  Atarius is talking about a challenge...

I remember gathering together with 90 some odd rebels, to try and take any 1 of 4 hot imperial HQ's, from a defending force of around 150 Imperials.  Housewalls with itty bitty alleys in them surrounding the bases, with a cloner 200m away.  Notorious CMs on both sides digging out their nastiest poisons.

The slideshow that commenced once the action began.

"I'm killing him!" /flip

"Take that! /flip

"I'm ... dead?  W T F?!?!  I was just at full health! lol /flip

and so on..

There has never been a more exciting time in all my years of electronic gaming (we're talking since Pong here) and nothing since has come close.  I know a lot of WoW die hards who still feel the same way.

If they get the GCW right this time... have some foresight into possible ways to abuse the systems they come up with, I predict a massive return of players, as well as a genrous influx of new players once the word hits the street.

E-Web blasters?  How long have we asked for those? 

Publish 30 is going to blow the people who play this game away.

Oh, and I hear your Rebel yell, and silence it with the Imperial Boot Stomp.

/ImperialOppression

 

Message Edited by Auraboron on 03-03-200606:41 PM




you forget we rebels have snipers....so I counter your boot stomp with the Sniper Shot of Liberty.

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Reading this brought a tear to my eye and helped restore some lost hope
 
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/downwithXEN

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Cause and effect.

GCW and pvp were both very important in the beginning. People fought for hours between Bestine and AH. Then we raided bases non-stop, without any reward or a reason to do so, just for bragging rights. But there are only so many times you can repeat something.

They ignored our problems, most important ones being turrets and cms for months, then we got bored, stopped pvping, stopped raiding bases, hardcore people started leaving the game, SOE nailed the coffin with their stupid GCW revamp unleashing base planting all over the planets. So what happened ? Very few pvpers and GCW players were left. Now they will revamp GCW ? Wooohoooo...too late.

All they needed to do were fixing stupid man-controlled turrets which were shooting 15 times per second, reducing dot damage and giving us a reason / award for raiding / defending bases. Here is your revamp.

Please allow me to introduce myself; I'm a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long, long year, stole many a man's soul and faith Oropher, the Fallen So if you meet me, have some courtesy, have some sympathy, and some taste. Use all your well-learned politesse, or I'll lay your soul to waste The Plural of Jedi is JEDI. 1 Jedi, 2 Jedi, a bazillion Jedi Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, but what's confusing you is just the nature of my game Guardian of Darkness Just as every Rebel is a criminal, and all the sinners saints..as heads is tails..just call me Emperor's Hand 'cause I'm in need of some restraint.
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Auraboron wrote:

If they get the GCW right this time... have some foresight into possible ways to abuse the systems they come up with, I predict a massive return of players, as well as a genrous influx of new players once the word hits the street.

E-Web blasters? How long have we asked for those?

Publish 30 is going to blow the people who play this game away.

Oh, and I hear your Rebel yell, and silence it with the Imperial Boot Stomp.

/ImperialOppression




I not only /agree with you Auraboron, but I can tell you that it is already happening.
I have already seen an influx of returning players, as well as a growing enthusiasm among newer players, because of the announcement of publish 30. Among the players who are gone, and I talk to them daily, it is hard to find a single one who does not plan to come back when publish 30 hits, at least to check it out.

Oh, and btw Ivoiv, you still know how to show a lady a good time
I was <GANK>ed last night

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Auraboron wrote:

E-Web blasters?  How long have we asked for those? 




I wonder if you'll be singing the same tune when they announce that the markting chicks have decreed that the E-Web shall be an entertainer-only item. 
I am optimistic, but there is no limit to the ways they could still screw this up.


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No doubt about it. this is the big one my guild has been waiting for.

We shall rise again.

"All your bases are belong to us"

lol (intentionally said incorrectly. inside joke)

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Anyone else noticed, that since this announcement, PvP is mushrooming on their server?

I've seen battles reminiscent of the pre CU ones, groups of over 20 going at each other in player cities.

Be Ready.

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GoldSquadGirl wrote:
Anyone else noticed, that since this announcement, PvP is mushrooming on their server?

I've seen battles reminiscent of the pre CU ones, groups of over 20 going at each other in player cities.

Be Ready.

The sun you see low to the horizon is not a sunset, but a newly rising one.



Yes!

Have you noticed some of the old timers are starting to come back in the last week or so?

And people are secretly putting Embassy houses in or adjacent to enemy cities.

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Anyone else noticed, that since this announcement, PvP is mushrooming on their server?

I've seen battles reminiscent of the pre CU ones, groups of over 20 going at each other in player cities.

Be Ready.

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Yes!

Have you noticed some of the old timers are starting to come back in the last week or so?

And people are secretly putting Embassy houses in or adjacent to enemy cities.




lmao you sneaky **editself**

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GoldSquadGirl wrote:


wintersNight wrote:


GoldSquadGirl wrote:
Anyone else noticed, that since this announcement, PvP is mushrooming on their server?

I've seen battles reminiscent of the pre CU ones, groups of over 20 going at each other in player cities.

Be Ready.

The sun you see low to the horizon is not a sunset, but a newly rising one.



Yes!

Have you noticed some of the old timers are starting to come back in the last week or so?

And people are secretly putting Embassy houses in or adjacent to enemy cities.




lmao you sneaky **editself**


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GoldSquadGirl wrote:

that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep.


What penalties?  There were no penalties for PVP death when the game first came out.

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AvaroT wrote:


GoldSquadGirl wrote:

that is why at first the penalties for PvP death were so steep.


What penalties?  There were no penalties for PVP death when the game first came out.


I meant at first as the GCW grew. But even by then, you didn't have to carry no cash or go loot yourself

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Its simply insane.

SWG is falling to the back of the pack as dozens of MMOs are primed to pass....and many already have.

REGARDLESS of blame or reason why, HISTORY has told us that the changes made to SWG (the NGE) have decreased the population base, has caused horrible PR for SOE and SWG, and have crippled the game.
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Ever since they started deviating from the GCW by taking battlefields out and cutting this and that out I became bitter with each surgical rip.

I remember the pre-CU days when the PvP was extremely exciting, I mean I actually had adreniline running through me in some of those battles. I am very much am disappointed that a great many of the post-cu and NGE people can never experience what we had. I mean, to all the people that battled in those far gone battles, there is no way to convey that experience. I've only had an adreniline rush from sky diving (and a few other things )before that, IT ROCKED!

I got the Access pass with my main main account to play Planetside and EQ 2 with some friends...there was an ulterior motive though, as I cursed and flamed the CU then the NGE, I hoped that those days could return. My main problem was the absolute stripping of the GCW from SWG. I mean COME ON I bought the game and I watch Starwars for the Good Vs. Evil, the Big Bad Empire Vs. The Rag Tag Rebellion. I wanted to be caught up in the Galactic Civil War from the movies!

Jedi, are the focal point of the story told int he movies and some would say its all about the jedi, but I would say "Jedi are only a story in a larger weave of a epic tale, they, like us, have been caught up in the Galactic Civil War. It is THROUGH the Galactic Civil War that Jedi and Sith wage their battle, not smothering it like The Views chicks on a cheesecake."

Anyways I digress, I'll get to the point, patch 30 brought a renewed interest back to SWG for me. But, I still haven't forgotten the bitter past SOE...amazing how long the human mind can hold memories

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Fluke_Hywalker wrote:

Ever since they started deviating from the GCW by taking battlefields out and cutting this and that out I became bitter with each surgical rip.

I remember the pre-CU days when the PvP was extremely exciting, I mean I actually had adreniline running through me in some of those battles. I am very much am disappointed that a great many of the post-cu and NGE people can never experience what we had. I mean, to all the people that battled in those far gone battles, there is no way to convey that experience. I've only had an adreniline rush from sky diving (and a few other things )before that, IT ROCKED!

I got the Access pass with my main main account to play Planetside and EQ 2 with some friends...there was an ulterior motive though, as I cursed and flamed the CU then the NGE, I hoped that those days could return. My main problem was the absolute stripping of the GCW from SWG. I mean COME ON I bought the game and I watch Starwars for the Good Vs. Evil, the Big Bad Empire Vs. The Rag Tag Rebellion. I wanted to be caught up in the Galactic Civil War from the movies!

Jedi, are the focal point of the story told int he movies and some would say its all about the jedi, but I would say "Jedi are only a story in a larger weave of a epic tale, they, like us, have been caught up in the Galactic Civil War. It is THROUGH the Galactic Civil War that Jedi and Sith wage their battle, not smothering it like The Views chicks on a cheesecake."

Anyways I digress, I'll get to the point, patch 30 brought a renewed interest back to SWG for me. But, I still haven't forgotten the bitter past SOE...amazing how long the human mind can hold memories

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I really think it will be just as passionate as before - hated for the other side will be just as powerful

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03-08-2006 05:23 PM  

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