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 quantum23
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In an
effort to put to rest rumor and speculation regarding the
recent departure of Haleigh Comette from XEN, I am issuing the
following as a formal statement:
It is truly
unfortunate that this issue has become anything more than a
parting of ways due to differing ideals and philosophies of
those involved. It would seem that many of you have received
an email from Haleigh stating, among other things, that she
had been kicked out of the guild.
The truth is, in
fact, she was removed from XEN. As a guild, we asked Haleigh
to leave for a period of time for reasons that will remain
between she and XEN’s governing council. Haleigh was unwilling
to remove herself after the council decided that it was in the
best interest of the guild for the time being. Therefore, it
was necessary to remove her.
There were many reasons
for asking Haleigh to leave. It is unfair for me to get into
the details but I will say that this decision was not made
lightly or easily. Within any organization there must be
strength and discipline toward the principals that guide it.
Teamwork is paramount to ensuring that. This decision was the
best course of action for the guild given the circumstances
and was necessary.
Please understand that the last
thing that XEN wanted was to have this become an issue outside
of ourselves and Haleigh. Unfortunately, others have made the
issue public for whatever their reasons and it has become
necessary for XEN to at least share some information relative
to the event. We feel that it is important that people
understand there are always two sides of every story.
I ask everyone to avoid taking sides and to try to
move forward together. I also ask that you please respect our
decision and attempt to keep this a private matter.
All of the above being said, it is XEN’s intention to
move forward together. The only thing that is different today
is that Haleigh is no longer with us. We, XEN, are the same
people, the same guild with the same ideals, nothing will
change that.
In closing, I will say that it is
unfortunate that XEN’s name and the names of its members are
being drug through the dirt right now over an internal
decision. Whatever rumors are floating around right now are
completely off the mark if they offer anything more than the
FACT that Haleigh was removed from XEN only after she refused
to leave, thereby forcing us to remove her. Remember there is
motivation behind all action and that not everything is quite
what it seems here.
XEN stands united. We will not
fall.
Quantum
Alpha
<XEN>
Heartbreaker,
Lifetaker
..Has mastered the delicate art
of pushing up daisies
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Quantum, I respect
you and all current and former members of XEN. I refused to
leave unless you kicked me, because I had promised not to in
This post
I stand by that, and on the
integrity of myself, and the other members you kicked out,
including Nnod, the guild leader of XEN before you.
Nnod removed
Kicking someone from a
guild is a public event, I have had to explain it as best I
could to those who have asked for answers, seeing my new guild
tag.
I don't want to post the reasons you gave and be
accused of trashing you and the guild.
I wish you all
the best, and GL in your future endeavors, as i have told
anyone who asks, we are all still rebels at the end of the
day, no matter what guild or city we reside in, we serve a
common purpose.
/rebelyell
Haleigh Comette <ZERG>
Kiss My Buns
It's only a game ... until you
lose
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Has mastered the Man-Eating Profession
Officers do it ... standing up!
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I was in Xen for a very long
time.....that was the only guild that I really ever considered
home. Let me say this.........
YOU DO NOT KICK
NNOD!!!
«Ashland Arcade«
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mmm drama.
Gothmogg
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XEN too was
asked for answers. Rather then dealing with the e-mails and
such it was decided to merely make a post sense the happenings
were already general/public knowledge. To state that by making
a post shows are wrong doing is rather unfair. In the instance
that XEN made the first move to explain would this make
Haleigh wrong? Absolutely not... and in fact shows the one
sided nature in which some have chosen to take. The post
was not made in any form of retaliation, but rather to give
XENs collective stance rather then everyone receiving
questions from the same people trying to find a different
answer, much like any action Haleigh has taken for the same
reasons.
While
I personally as others in XEN will state do not feel Haleigh
is currently bad mouthing anyone, there has been others trying
to take advantage of the situation. This post was directed to
put end to those rumors, as those rumors do no fairness to
Haleigh, or any member of XEN: current, past, or
future.
As Haleigh
said: "as i have told anyone who asks, we are all still
rebels at the end of the day, no matter what guild or city we
reside in, we serve a common
purpose.
/rebelyell
" I feel
it is importaint for people to read these words very
carefully, as in the end there is nothing more
true.
On the note
of removing inactives... XEN is neither the first nor last
guild to remove inactives. Though the inactives names are not
forgotten, and if ever return are openly welcomed back into
the guild. Though the original XEN resides here at http://www.xoohq.com/ and the XEN in SWG,
is not, nor has not been a division with in for sometime
now.
Larsay Skydancer
<XEN>
 Rebellious Daughter of the
Emperor
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Skydancer_ wrote:
XEN too
was asked for answers. Rather then dealing with the
e-mails and such it was decided to merely make a post
sense the happenings were already general/public
knowledge. To state that by making a post shows are wrong
doing is rather unfair. In the instance that XEN made the
first move to explain would this make Haleigh wrong?
Absolutely not... and in fact shows the one sided nature
in which some have chosen to take. The post was not
made in any form of retaliation, but rather to give XENs
collective stance rather then everyone receiving questions
from the same people trying to find a different answer,
much like any action Haleigh has taken for the same
reasons.
While I personally as others in XEN
will state do not feel Haleigh is currently bad mouthing
anyone, there has been others trying to take advantage of
the situation. This post was directed to put end to those
rumors, as those rumors do no fairness to Haleigh, or any
member of XEN: current, past, or
future.
As
Haleigh said: "as i have told anyone
who asks, we are all still rebels at the end of the day,
no matter what guild or city we reside in, we serve a
common purpose.
/rebelyell
" I
feel it is importaint for people to read these words very
carefully, as in the end there is nothing more
true.
On the
note of removing inactives... XEN is
neither the first nor last guild to remove
inactives. Though the inactives names are not
forgotten, and if ever return are openly welcomed back
into the guild. Though the original XEN resides here at
http://www.xoohq.com/ and the XEN in
SWG, is not, nor has not been a division with in for
sometime now.
That doesn't make it the right
thing to do.Look at NERD's guild roster. Look at AOD's guild
roster. Look at -Zero's guild roster. I bet on all of these
guild lists, you will find inactive members. It shouldn't be
done. If you need even more proof? LIGHT. ToL. CoE. KoS.
EvX. NRes. REM. The list goes on and on. I can't tell you
guys what to do with your guild. I'm just explaining my
thoughts on the matter.
Rebel Pride.
Through our Force of Will, The
Rebellion WILL win this
war.
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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Hold on, so...let me see if I understand this...
- "Nnod" pops off at certain individuals, claiming that he
is going to "hack their account" and "kill their mother."
- "Nnod" is banned.
- XEN supports removing his inactive name from the
guildlist...while Haleigh has some reason to
disagree?
Have I got any of this right?
\V Durgan Kael V/
\\ KoS Deathdealer //
\\ "Deep Space is closed." //
"It's amazing what
people will believe when it is in their best interests...It
all boils down to what you want to believe versus what is
actually going on. You live in a constant feeling of false
hope, and it festers and festers, until finally your dreams
are crushed, and then suddenly the evil empire that destroyed
your pipe dream is the worst thing on the
planet."
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Durgan_Kael wrote:
Hold on, so...let me see if I understand this...
- "Nnod" pops off at certain individuals, claiming that
he is going to "hack their account" and "kill their
mother."
- "Nnod" is banned.
- XEN supports removing his inactive name from the
guildlist...while Haleigh has some reason to
disagree?
Have I got any of this right?
You have Absolutley NONE of it right Durgan, Not trying
to flame you.
1. The person you are talking about is NardNod on the
forums, who is Branv Don in game. Nnod is a different person
completely.
2. Nnod was Never banned.
3. XEN Removed their inactive Former Guildleader,
Nnod, Haleigh disagrees because It's morally not
right.
Nardnod = Branv Don
NNod = Nnod Ppuh
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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RDoppleganger wrote:
Skydancer_ wrote:
XEN
too was asked for answers. Rather then dealing with the
e-mails and such it was decided to merely make a post
sense the happenings were already general/public
knowledge. To state that by making a post shows are
wrong doing is rather unfair. In the instance that XEN
made the first move to explain would this make Haleigh
wrong? Absolutely not... and in fact shows the one sided
nature in which some have chosen to take. The post
was not made in any form of retaliation, but rather to
give XENs collective stance rather then everyone
receiving questions from the same people trying to find
a different answer, much like any action Haleigh has
taken for the same reasons.
While I personally as others in XEN
will state do not feel Haleigh is currently bad mouthing
anyone, there has been others trying to take advantage
of the situation. This post was directed to put end to
those rumors, as those rumors do no fairness to Haleigh,
or any member of XEN: current, past, or
future.
As
Haleigh said: "as i have told anyone
who asks, we are all still rebels at the end of the day,
no matter what guild or city we reside in, we serve a
common purpose.
/rebelyell
"
I feel it is importaint for people to read these words
very carefully, as in the end there is nothing more
true.
On the
note of removing inactives... XEN is
neither the first nor last guild to remove
inactives. Though the inactives names are not
forgotten, and if ever return are openly welcomed back
into the guild. Though the original XEN resides here at
http://www.xoohq.com/ and the XEN in
SWG, is not, nor has not been a division with
in for sometime now.
That doesn't make it the right
thing to do.Look at NERD's guild roster. Look at AOD's
guild roster. Look at -Zero's guild roster. I bet on all
of these guild lists, you will find inactive members. It
shouldn't be done. If you need even more proof? LIGHT.
ToL. CoE. KoS. EvX. CCH. NRes.
REM. The list goes on and on. I can't tell you guys what
to do with your guild. I'm just explaining my thoughts on
the matter.
Rebel Pride.
Through our Force of Will,
The Rebellion WILL win this
war.
fixed that for you.
Tweaked
Askani
Last of The Elder Commando Elite
I'm ****ing
staying here and don't be weird about it!
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-3882 -2141 on Corellia 1k from Tyrena in Candyland
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RDoppleganger wrote:
Durgan_Kael wrote:
Hold on, so...let me see if I understand
this...
- "Nnod" pops off at certain individuals, claiming
that he is going to "hack their account" and "kill their
mother."
- "Nnod" is banned.
- XEN supports removing his inactive name from the
guildlist...while Haleigh has some reason to
disagree?
Have I got any of this right?
You have Absolutley NONE of it right Durgan, Not
trying to flame you.
1. The person you are talking about is NardNod on the
forums, who is Branv Don in game. Nnod is a different person
completely.
2. Nnod was Never banned.
3. XEN Removed their inactive Former Guildleader,
Nnod, Haleigh disagrees because It's morally not
right.
Nardnod = Branv Don
NNod = Nnod Ppuh
Ah, okay, that's mainly what I was wondering
about that. Thought maybe Branv's old name was being
abbreviated ot something  . Alright, that clears it up.
\V Durgan Kael V/
\\ KoS Deathdealer //
\\ "Deep Space is closed." //
"It's amazing what
people will believe when it is in their best interests...It
all boils down to what you want to believe versus what is
actually going on. You live in a constant feeling of false
hope, and it festers and festers, until finally your dreams
are crushed, and then suddenly the evil empire that destroyed
your pipe dream is the worst thing on the
planet."
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allow me to interject......
You all take this stuff waaaay too
seriously.
Step away from the computer slowly, and get some
fresh air and sunshine.
Your real life loved ones are probably worried about
you.
That's probably an old or commonly used joke.
However it couldn't be more fitting right now.
ESKEA
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Trirou wrote:
i don't see any problem with removing inactive members
of the guild. I don't know about anybody else, but
when i look at a guild terminal i get depressed seeing how
many friends that have come and gone. you can either
chose to live in the past or you can clear house and look to
the present and the future.
How would you feel if you were removed from
the guild you've been a part of for 3 years, because someone
felt you were inactive? I'd be pissed.
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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ducksauce wrote:
allow me to interject......
You all take this stuff waaaay too
seriously.
Step away from the computer slowly, and get some
fresh air and sunshine.
Your real life loved ones are probably worried about
you.
That's probably an old or commonly used joke.
However it couldn't be more fitting right now.
ESKEA
Message Edited by ducksauce on 08-21-2006 08:21 PM
Eskea, no one wanted you to interject anyway.
We can take it as seriously as we want, are you a shrink?,Do
you pay our 15 dollars a month? If the answer to one of these
questions is no, than your opinion does not matter.
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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tagster wrote:
I think if I was inactive, it wouldn't really matter
since I wouldn't be playing the game. And it sounds like the
amount of time this person had been inactive is quite
substantial.
And if you came back? Nnod is a very very
large reason, along with Haleigh and a few select others, why
XEN even exists today. Nnod was the guildleader, but Quantum
took over in his absence. You would figure since Nnod is the
TRUE guild leader, that he would be left in the guild
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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Sense this seems
to be a very large consern to people:
What is
inactive? What is morally wrong to remove someone who is
"inactive." What exsacty is morals even?
Morals are a set
of beliefs that goven our day to day life in what is right and
what is wrong. Morals are different from person to person,
which is why typically guilds that survive the test of time
have some set of "morals" that govern them. This is also why
there are many different guilds, as we do not all fit the same
mold. We can see these differances on morals every day. I for
one feel it is morally wrong to do drugs, to drink exsesively,
to overly use volgure language, etc. Though to some this is
morally exceptiable.
Does that make
them wrong because my morals differ from that of theirs? No,
absolutly not.
Does that make
either set of morals better then mine? No absolutly
not.
When one begins
to speak of moral's one must take a step back for a moment and
realize we do not all posses the same morals. While I can
understand completely and from first hand exsperiance in the
past that one may become angered by such actions, I know that
for myself being in the shoes of coming back to a guild I was
gone from for over a year, and not being tagged in it any
longer, and coming back to a guild I was gone from for 8
months and still being tagged, I felt it was morally wrong on
my own end to when i knew I would possably not be back, or not
be back for some time to leave myself a member of that
orginization. As durring that period of time I was not
contributing to the guild or its actions, so in turn did not
deserve any of the benifits or awards that guild had earned
durring that period of time.
So now we are
faced with a moral delema:
Do you remove a
member who has in the past helped build a guild and been a
pillar with in it?
Or do you see a
member who may no longer be coming back, and has never
bothered to inform the rest of their intentions?
Larsay Skydancer
<XEN>
Rebellious Daughter of the
Emperor
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Skydancer_ wrote:
Sense this
seems to be a very large consern to people:
What is
inactive? What is morally wrong to remove someone who is
"inactive." What exsacty is morals even?
Morals are a
set of beliefs that goven our day to day life in what is
right and what is wrong. Morals are different from person to
person, which is why typically guilds that survive the test
of time have some set of "morals" that govern them. This is
also why there are many different guilds, as we do not all
fit the same mold. We can see these differances on morals
every day. I for one feel it is morally wrong to do drugs,
to drink exsesively, to overly use volgure language, etc.
Though to some this is morally exceptiable.
Does that make
them wrong because my morals differ from that of theirs? No,
absolutly not.
Does that make
either set of morals better then mine? No absolutly
not.
When one
begins to speak of moral's one must take a step back for a
moment and realize we do not all posses the same morals.
While I can understand completely and from first hand
exsperiance in the past that one may become angered by such
actions, I know that for myself being in the shoes of coming
back to a guild I was gone from for over a year, and not
being tagged in it any longer, and coming back to a guild I
was gone from for 8 months and still being tagged, I felt it
was morally wrong on my own end to when i knew I would
possably not be back, or not be back for some time to leave
myself a member of that orginization. As durring that period
of time I was not contributing to the guild or its actions,
so in turn did not deserve any of the benifits or awards
that guild had earned durring that period of
time.
So now we are
faced with a moral delema:
Do you remove
a member who has in the past helped build a guild and been a
pillar with in it?
Or do you see
a member who may no longer be coming back, and has never
bothered to inform the rest of their
intentions?
by this post it can make one think.Of course
we all have different Morals but aso have some of the
same.What if Nnard did come back or he didnt.Some times we are
all faced with similair situations some where down the line.I
for one was suprised to see Haleigh with a different
tag(thanks to one of the picture from a former post)it seemed
to look like Zero or some thing similair and i thought to my
self "are my eyes deceiving me?" well anyway we all have
different morals but yet we still have some of the same
ZOTAR
 Master Bounty
Hunter
 Jedi
Master
yeah theres two of
me so get use to it
I serve no one in particular.So you
cant control me
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RDoppleganger wrote:
Trirou wrote:
i don't see any problem with removing inactive
members of the guild. I don't know about anybody
else, but when i look at a guild terminal i get depressed
seeing how many friends that have come and gone. you
can either chose to live in the past or you can clear
house and look to the present and the future.
How would you feel if you were removed from
the guild you've been a part of for 3 years, because someone
felt you were inactive? I'd be pissed.
I wouldn't give a **edit** for the
simple reason that i don't play any longer. they have
already said that they would gladly reaccept people who came
back to the game..... but most people do not come back or if
they do, they dont stay long and then they are once in the
inactive column.
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ducksauce wrote:
allow me to interject......
You all take this stuff waaaay too
seriously.
Step away from the computer slowly, and get some
fresh air and sunshine.
Your real life loved ones are probably worried about
you.
That's probably an old or commonly used joke.
However it couldn't be more fitting right now.
ESKEA
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I usually dont
post opinions but must get this off my chest..../grin....this
is kinda childish and eskea is right....its a game...u pay to
have fun....so quantum does it really hurt the guild to have
inactives?...and haleigh does it hurt guild if u removed the
inactives?....utlimately is this simple arguement worth
fighting for since there is no right or wrong answer?...my
opinion make up you 2 and get back to having fun. /grr hate to
say this but make peace not war.../smirk
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I (Haleigh) was
removed by Quantum a few seconds before Nnod, who was removed
a few seconds before Zesh's alt and my 3 XEN alts, Minerva,
Adara, and Solidgold.
In this post, I merely said that
I can stand on my integrity and that of those kicked from the
guild at the same time. Though not mine, the choice has been
made, and the Rebellion lives on.
Ivoiv, Zesh, -Sipo,
Doombringer, Metro' and I have joined together to continue our
fight against the Empire through Force of Will.
The
<ZERG> is on ....
Haleigh Comette <ZERG>
Kiss My Buns
It's only a game ... until you
lose
...
Has mastered the Man-Eating Profession
Officers do it ... standing up!
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Tweaked, you are but one person and are entitled to your
perspective, I can respect that.
This stopped being a
private matter the moment Haleigh sent out an in game mail to
several people that I know (Rebel and Imperial guild leaders
as well as others who had no business getting involved)
stating among other things, that I kicked her from the guild.
Therein lays the purpose of this thread, to explain our
position. Unfortunately at this point is has gone beyond that
and people are trying to ruin other peoples names in the
process, my post was an attempt to put an end to this and to
ask others to not take sides.
Tweaked points out that
he has run a successful guild for over five years so I pose a
question to him. What does a leader do when faced with a
member who has violated your guilds “friendship” and “trust”
on multiple occasions? Even after it has been addressed
directly to that person and those involved?
To say that Haleigh made XEN what it is today is simply not
true. Yes, she has been a player but let us examine the past
for a moment. Haleigh has not been in XEN the entire time
since I took it back from Tiolel. Haleigh left the guild on
three separate occasions that I can recall (and not due to
internal conflict). One time she left the guild without notice
entirely. If it were not for the hard work and dedication of
EVERY member of this guild including Haleigh we would not be
where we are today. There have been countless times where I
was the sole representation of our guild on the battlefield
and as far as active membership.
A good leader always recognizes the work of everyone. Which
is why I would like to say thank you to Larsay for everything
she has done lately, we would not be XEN at all if it were not
for her efforts in resolving conflict and attempting to make
sense of this situation. Larsay has done everything in her
power to keep things together when everyone else had lost
hope. As Jakarta put it “You are truly a godsend to us atm”.
Jachari once also said “That woman has passion. I love it.”.
She has become the true heart and soul of this guild.
On the issue of Nnod, yes I did some house cleaning and
kicked everyone who is not an active member of our guild (Zesh
left the guild without notice several days prior to this but
left his alt in so I removed him as well).
This is not the XEN of old, while we do hold those same
ideals and perspectives in high esteem and are more than happy
to accept old members who have left the game back into the
guild but there must be rules and we must hold every member
(myself included) accountable for their actions.
This is getting ridiculous folks (almost 600 views now?).
Let me again make it quite clear that the purpose of posting
this information was put to rest rumor and speculation around
the events that obviously have upset so many. Again, I will
remind everyone that there is MUCH more to this than we would
like to bring into the public domain.
Again I will point out that Haleigh was in no
way removed from the guild because of Nnod and that has
absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I will continue to fight for what’s right and true by
myself, my friends, and the rebellion. Our decision to move
forward without Haleigh will not effect our own appreciation
for her uniqueness and fighting skills and we do look forward
to fighting along side her and her newly formed guild.
I should add that the day after Haleigh was removed from
the guild we ended up in the same group protecting the base on
Corellia for several hours. We can look beyond the past and
work together towards a common goal in the future. We are
mature adults. However, when others let speculation and rumors
run rampant without being totally informed it is only bound to
further enflame any situation which brings us back to the
original topic of this thread and our feeling, as a guild,
that a “formal statement” after almost a week after she was
removed was necessary and the right thing to do.
Quantum
Alpha
<XEN>
Heartbreaker,
Lifetaker
..Has mastered the delicate art
of pushing up daisies
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This is the third time I've watched XEN explode, or...
"Implode"
Once was over 2 years ago
Its safe to say the name will still be around...
If
your name is something stupid like "KCURT ERIF" Don't paint it
on the front of your bright red truck with flashing sirens,
because I WILL NOT, get out of your way... you sad sad
AttentionWhore.
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Quantum, with all
due respect, I am not gonna sit here and defend myself, I
didn't do anything wrong.
I have moved on from XEN,
this attempt at justification by casting aspersions on my
character isn't helpful to the rebellion.
quantum23 wrote:
What does a leader
do when faced with a member who has violated your guilds
“friendship” and “trust” on multiple occasions? Even after
it has been addressed directly to that person and those
involved?
What does an ejected guild
member do when sweeping charges like this, with no truth are
hurled at them?
Do I have to post the XEN internal
forum threads? (The ones you needed a password to get
to)
Though you deleted the entire private forum after
kicking me, I anticipated that, and I have copies of them
saved, in case you tried to recharacterize what happened
leading to my dismissal.
Not that I would expect that
treatment from you ....
Here is my mail to BIA, and
by the way, my alt Ha'lies has been in that guild, as you have
known since she joined almost two months ago. She was getting
questions in tells as well as guild chat. That I am taking
part in B-I-A while being forcibly removed from XEN, which has
been a close ally, makes it their business. You brought it to
the boards, so lemme post it for everyone:
As many of you in B-I-A
already know, I am no longer in XEN. I was kicked out by
Quantum last Sunday, along with Zesh and Nnod (the guild
leader of XEN from February 2004 - May 2005).
I know
there have been many things said about me and I will not
answer all of the charges, because in so doing I would be
forced to say things about my former guildmates that will
not improve the cause of the Rebel Alliance. At the end of
the day we are all rebels, no matter what guild or city we
reside in.
As far as anyone else who was kicked out
of XEN with me, (and I only know of the ones for certain
that were kicked before me and my alts were removed) I can
personally vouch for their honor, including the ones who may
not be around to speak for themselves.
There was no
attempt by me or any of them to take control of XEN back
from Quantum, nor will there ever be, Zesh, Ivoiv, and I
have started a new guild, with Ivoiv as leader.
The
new guild is called "Force of Will", a.k.a. <ZERG>,
send a tell to any of us, we are always at the disposal of
the fight against the Empire 
Ivoiv (founder,
leader)
-Sipo
Adara
Doombringer
Haleigh
Metro'
Minerva
Raub
Zesh
Zeshinn
Ha'lies
Comet will remain as a guest in B-I-A, as long as you are
willing to have me
/rebelyell
Haleigh Comette <ZERG>
Kiss My Buns
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Quantum, with
all due respect, I am not gonna sit here and defend myself,
I didn't do anything wrong.
I have moved on from XEN,
this attempt at justification by casting aspersions on my
character isn't helpful to the rebellion.
quantum23 wrote:
What does a leader
do when faced with a member who has violated your guilds
“friendship” and “trust” on multiple occasions? Even after
it has been addressed directly to that person and those
involved?
What does an ejected guild
member do when sweeping charges like this, with no truth are
hurled at them?
Do I have to post the XEN internal
forum threads? (The ones you needed a password to get
to)
Though you deleted the entire private forum after
kicking me, I anticipated that, and I have copies of them
saved, in case you tried to recharacterize what happened
leading to my dismissal.
Not that I would expect that
treatment from you ....
Here is my mail to BIA,
and by the way, my alt Ha'lies has been in that guild, as
you have known since she joined almost two months ago. She
was getting questions in tells as well as guild chat. That I
am taking part in B-I-A while being forcibly removed from
XEN, which has been a close ally, makes it their business.
You brought it to the boards, so lemme post it for everyone:
As many of you in B-I-A
already know, I am no longer in XEN. I was kicked out by
Quantum last Sunday, along with Zesh and Nnod (the guild
leader of XEN from February 2004 - May 2005).
I
know there have been many things said about me and I will
not answer all of the charges, because in so doing I would
be forced to say things about my former guildmates that
will not improve the cause of the Rebel Alliance. At the
end of the day we are all rebels, no matter what guild or
city we reside in.
As far as anyone else who was
kicked out of XEN with me, (and I only know of the ones
for certain that were kicked before me and my alts were
removed) I can personally vouch for their honor, including
the ones who may not be around to speak for
themselves.
There was no attempt by me or any of
them to take control of XEN back from Quantum, nor will
there ever be, Zesh, Ivoiv, and I have started a new
guild, with Ivoiv as leader.
The new guild is
called "Force of Will", a.k.a. <ZERG>, send a tell
to any of us, we are always at the disposal of the fight
against the Empire
Ivoiv (founder,
leader)
-Sipo
Adara
Doombringer
Haleigh
Metro'
Minerva
Raub
Zesh
Zeshinn
Ha'lies
Comet will remain as a guest in B-I-A, as long as you are
willing to have me
/rebelyell
The Quest for the Alpha Guild continues, they've
created more Alpha guilds to conquer... a monster perhaps
If
your name is something stupid like "KCURT ERIF" Don't paint it
on the front of your bright red truck with flashing sirens,
because I WILL NOT, get out of your way... you sad sad
AttentionWhore.
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quantum23 wrote:
Tweaked, you are but one person and
are entitled to your perspective, I can respect
that.
This stopped being a
private matter the moment Haleigh sent out an in game mail
to several people that I know (Rebel and Imperial guild
leaders as well as others who had no business getting
involved) stating among other things, that I kicked her from
the guild. Therein lays the purpose of this thread,
to explain our position. Unfortunately at this point is has
gone beyond that and people are trying to ruin other peoples
names in the process, my post was an attempt to put an end
to this and to ask others to not take sides.
Tweaked
points out that he has run a successful guild for over five
years so I pose a question to him. What does a leader do
when faced with a member who has violated your guilds
“friendship” and “trust” on multiple occasions? Even after
it has been addressed directly to that person and those
involved?
To say that Haleigh made XEN what it
is today is simply not true. Yes, she has been a
player but let us examine the past for a moment. Haleigh has
not been in XEN the entire time since I took it back from
Tiolel. Haleigh left the guild on three separate occasions
that I can recall (and not due to internal conflict). One
time she left the guild without notice entirely. If it were
not for the hard work and dedication of EVERY member of this
guild including Haleigh we would not be where we are today.
There have been countless times where I
was the sole representation of our guild on the battlefield
and as far as active membership.
A good leader always recognizes the work of everyone.
Which is why I would like to say thank you to Larsay for
everything she has done lately, we would not be XEN at all
if it were not for her efforts in resolving conflict and
attempting to make sense of this situation. Larsay has done
everything in her power to keep things together when
everyone else had lost hope. As Jakarta put it “You are
truly a godsend to us atm”. Jachari once also said “That
woman has passion. I love it.”. She has become the true
heart and soul of this guild.
On the issue of Nnod, yes I did some house cleaning and
kicked everyone who is not an active member of our guild
(Zesh left the guild without notice several days prior to
this but left his alt in so I removed him as well).
This is not the XEN of old, while we do hold those same
ideals and perspectives in high esteem and are more than
happy to accept old members who have left the game back into
the guild but there must be rules and we must hold every
member (myself included) accountable for their actions.
This is getting ridiculous folks (almost 600 views now?).
Let me again make it quite clear that the purpose of posting
this information was put to rest rumor and speculation
around the events that obviously have upset so many. Again,
I will remind everyone that there is MUCH more to this than
we would like to bring into the public domain.
Again I will point out that Haleigh was in
no way removed from the guild because of Nnod and that has
absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I will continue to fight for what’s right and true by
myself, my friends, and the rebellion. Our decision to move
forward without Haleigh will not effect our own appreciation
for her uniqueness and fighting skills and we do look
forward to fighting along side her and her newly formed
guild.
I should add that the day after Haleigh was removed from
the guild we ended up in the same group protecting the base
on Corellia for several hours. We can look beyond the past
and work together towards a common goal in the future. We
are mature adults. However, when others let speculation and
rumors run rampant without being totally informed it is only
bound to further enflame any situation which brings us back
to the original topic of this thread and our feeling, as a
guild, that a “formal statement” after almost a week after
she was removed was necessary and the right thing to do.
Make it two.
Contradiction: First Larsay says that most
people left in XEN do not feel that Haleigh sent out anything
to make XEN look bad. Then you come here and state that she
came and sent out an email to Rebel and Imperial leaders on
the matter? The only people that I know she sent emails too,
were guild that her alts were in, because members of those
guilds did not know what was going on. Proof? Haleigh checked
her email with me before she sent it out, and she even posted
it here. Doesn't look to be bad mouthing anyone. And as for
you not Removing her? Asking her to remove herself from the
guild is kicking her out in the most subtle way possible. You
were not going to let her back in, You just wanted good
publicity for her not being in XEN. Haleigh held true to her
pledge in that she would never willingly leave XEN. Did you
hold true to yours that you would never talk behind her back?
How many conversations went on about Haleigh that did not
include her speaking in them? Wasn't the foundation of your
guild trust? Yet you never brought these issues to Haleigh
until days before you removed her?
Read Aeroson's post, and Tweaked's post
again. Haleigh was the face, heart and soul of XEN. XEN was
known because of her. She repped your tag hard, died with it,
zerged with it, fought to the end of every battle with it. And
then you disrespect her. It shows how jealous you are that she
was getting the publicity for XEN and not you.
Oh, Is that why I saw you standing
covert in Theed when there was fighting going on in
Restuss?
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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Guys, guys, guys...
This thread is merely a statement of facts to present
information from XEN as a source. There has been no attempt at
casting right or wrong on anyone. With much
discussion happening on the subject it was the "right" thing
to do.
The removal of others during the same time is
inconsequencial to this statement. One thing has completely
nothing to do with the other.
There has never been any accusations
of Haleigh attempting to take over XEN. Noone in XEN
would ever make any comment to the contrary.
As a note: No posts have been removed from the XEN
internals.
Jachari Monsul
XEN
It isn't so much that the galaxy is full of
Imperials. It is just that Force lightning is not distributed
properly. ~ Shamelessly stolen, modified quote
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Incoming Message from Pash Cracken (These are NOT my words
in any way, Shape or form. These are the words of pash. Do not
direct your comments to me on this particular post. Seek out
Hsap/Hasp ingame.:
Hello, this is Pash Cracken, you may recognize me from the
Cracken Joke Co. (100k for a unique never-to-be-used-again
joke!). I would just like to say a few things.
1) XEN is dead. Thats right, Haleigh was the face
of XEN, and without her and Zesh, it is a worthless guild.
2) Larsay, shame on you. I have never seen you
once doing anything to help this faction. NOT ONCE. Unlike
Haleigh Comette who is always where she should be to help
most. Oh thats right, you need to focus on becoming the Alpha
guild.
3) Going into more detail on the "face of XEN"
comment.... Most people on the server, myself included, were
shocked when we heard Haleigh had been removed. The simple
reason behind this is that quite a few of us believed that
Haleigh was the leader! It was always Haleigh leading XENs pvp
groups, always Haleigh that you would ask for help. The one
time I have ever seen "Big Q" asked to move a group in combat,
and make himself useful, he responded by complaining about
never being included in pvp.... Then waited til we all died
and ran in to try to solo all of the imps. Establishing your
position as the "alpha male"? Use some... Alpha hormone?
Where'd your last name go by the way... give it to the guild?
Didn't impress me at all, you trying to solo 20 imps. Working
with us like HALEIGH does, would have. You, like Larsay are
nowhere to be found on the battlefield... I still see Haleigh
out there zerging 8 imps with sipo. Think I might have seen
you farming items off stormies in theed... Thank god you're
around.
Basically you have deadened yourselves at least to me, I
will not group with any current member of XEN, nor will I
think of you as rebels. Just my opinions, maybe they are
reflected by others and maybe I am alone in this thinking, but
I think most of us can agree that you made a huge mistake.
I stress this point most of
all. HALEIGH WAS XEN. NOW XEN IS NOTHING
Buy Cracken Jokes, written by 'Jesse', JonPaul Ingro, and
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I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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Jachari
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RDoppleganger wrote:
Asking her to remove
herself from the guild is kicking her out in the most subtle
way possible. You were not going to let her back in, You
just wanted good publicity for her not being in XEN. Haleigh
held true to her pledge in that she would never willingly
leave XEN. Did you hold true to yours that you would never
talk behind her back? How many conversations went on about
Haleigh that did not include her speaking in them? Wasn't
the foundation of your guild trust? Yet you never brought
these issues to Haleigh until days before you removed
her?
These comments are completely the furthest thing
from the truth. This type of heresay and speculation is
exactly the reason why the statement was made.
Jachari Monsul
XEN
It isn't so much that the galaxy is full of
Imperials. It is just that Force lightning is not distributed
properly. ~ Shamelessly stolen, modified quote
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Jachari wrote:
RDoppleganger wrote:
Asking her to remove
herself from the guild is kicking her out in the most
subtle way possible. You were not going to let her back
in, You just wanted good publicity for her not being in
XEN. Haleigh held true to her pledge in that she would
never willingly leave XEN. Did you hold true to yours
that you would never talk behind her back? How many
conversations went on about Haleigh that did not include
her speaking in them? Wasn't the foundation of your
guild trust? Yet you never brought these issues to
Haleigh until days before you removed her?
These comments are completely the furthest
thing from the truth. This type of heresay and
speculation is exactly the reason why the statement
was made.
Jachari, I've read the post
myself.
I
wonder if Dark Jedi's have a better buffet in the enclave.
What I would do for those cocktail weenies.
I will kill
any man for the right price. And the price is a Hostess
Cupcake.
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of
the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage
of free men and women. -Ronald Reagan
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Jachari
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RDoppleganger wrote:
Jachari wrote:
RDoppleganger wrote:
Asking her to
remove herself from the guild is kicking her out in
the most subtle way possible. You were not going to
let her back in, You just wanted good publicity for
her not being in XEN. Haleigh held true to her pledge
in that she would never willingly leave XEN. Did you
hold true to yours that you would never talk behind
her back? How many conversations went on about Haleigh
that did not include her speaking in them? Wasn't the
foundation of your guild trust? Yet you never brought
these issues to Haleigh until days before you removed
her?
These comments are completely the furthest
thing from the truth. This type of heresay and
speculation is exactly the reason why the statement
was made.
Jachari, I've read the post myself.
Which post?
Jachari Monsul
XEN
It isn't so much that the galaxy is full of
Imperials. It is just that Force lightning is not distributed
properly. ~ Shamelessly stolen, modified quote
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| 08-22-2006 05:13
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I've read so much dumb BS on this
thread, everyone begins to decipher with there BS detectors,
this is a fact sir, this isnt
None of that Matters
it can be as untrue and as false as
it has to be, purple elephants skieing down rainbow black
holes ejaculating leprachauns..
That doesnt mean I agree with
it
I think Haleigh deserves backing because shes done alot for us, shes the
kind of person who if asked - will put her best foot forward
and help you out, give you 100% respect and
support.
Shes the kind of person that will go
out and <ZERG> a group of 20, she doesnt care how good
she is in PVP, shes always striving to be better and none of
you people can take all that away from her.
However... You people made a huge
mistake, Haleigh put her foot forward raised her head to the
sky and screamed for your faction, her time in game was spent
to make XEN better and everything she did was flashy and
proud, and had XEN written all over it
well you all lost that
Wether your in the right the wrong,
the worst or the best
You all failed you back up your most
aparent and needed guild member... and you managed to do it in
a dirty way
If it wasnt dirty, noone would feel
this way
we're all rebels here, but you all
cut out your shining star, now you get to look at the sun,
thats how it works
I'm sorry if you feel alienated or
attacked by this, but you all **edit**ed up, and I'd begin to
look inward for problems
and not outward
and thankyou for calling us an Alpha
guild
If
your name is something stupid like "KCURT ERIF" Don't paint it
on the front of your bright red truck with flashing sirens,
because I WILL NOT, get out of your way... you sad sad
AttentionWhore.
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